People in the UX field with 2, 3 years of experience top: how did YOU find your first UX job. Any advice for juniors who just start out and are looking for their first job?

This question is asked a lot to seniors. But I feel like today's seniors might have started in the industry when it was not saturated by so many new profiles (for such little demand for juniors). So the offer/demand balance was better?

I also feel like companies today simply don't want to invest in juniors and prefer someone with years of experience, if possible some "UX UI coding unicorn". So I feel deeply for juniors today because the market honestly looks like a mess (even before covid)

I am also not a big fan of the "find some NGO or small business and work for free for them to get some experience" answer bc A. you still need a mentor to get feedback to know if you are doing good work and B. not everyone can afford to work for free when you have bills to pay


My advice if you ever work for free for anyone: write them an invoice with the REAL value, and then add a 100% discount.
Even when you work for free, you want people to know that this work has value, some real one :)

Sorry, I said invoice but quote or estimate might have been more accurate here. Or maybe just and email saying "I'm doing this for free because [your reason]" but normally I would charge this amount for that kind of job.

@stephaniewalter id love to know how to write an invoice with the value of my work

@stephaniewalter This is a great idea! I wonder though about the tax implications. Would the receiving organization have to pay taxes on the gift they received from you? Any experience with that?

@jboy @stephaniewalter this is an important question.

Such an invoice may even count as hidden gift and this means messing with taxes. Depending on your local law this will probably mean trouble.

Also you'd have to provide the required warranty by law since you wrote an invoice.

Very very thin ice.

@bekopharm @stephaniewalter I don't understand the "hidden gift" part -- isn't the gift 100% visible?

@jboy @stephaniewalter

Depends on local law I guess.

This is used to circumvent taxes and there are usually some sorts of allowed limits.

Revenue offices are really strict. Wouldn't want closer attention from any.

@bekopharm @jboy sorry my bad maybe I used the word "invoice" wrong and should have used "quote" instead (I always get those confused). The idea is to send them a paper that shows them how much it's worth. Or just send it in an email or something.
The idea is: find a way to show them how much this time is worth without getting into legal troubles :D

@jboy it's going to vary from place to place, but generally it's not something to worry about. Free items, free work, etc. are well-understood by tax authorities. Giving things away to build goodwill/reputation is an extremely common practice.

Simply documenting it doesn't change that. 1/…

@jboy what tax authorities worry about is people *pretending* to give work away while actually being compensated. As always, it's smart to check business policies with an attorney before implementing them, but I strongly doubt this practice would cause anyone any issues 2/2


@darrenpmeyer @jboy as I said invoice might not be the right word. More like quote or estimate (I always confuse those 3 in english), or any way to say "I would normally charge that even if I work for free this time this is the value of my work"

@stephaniewalter I do think "invoice" was the right choice, FWIW

"Quote" and "estimate" both refer to proposals for work that contain costs; the difference being that an estimate can be expected only to be an approximation of costs due to unknowns in the project, while a quote is expected to be precise (it is what you will pay). These are given before work is agreed upon 1/2


@stephaniewalter an invoice is generally a request for payment, and typically details what's being requested. $0 invoices exist

If you wish to be very precise, an "invoice" is a "statement" (a list of goods and/or services delivered along with their value) plus a request for payment. But in common use the two are interchangeable. 2/2


@stephaniewalter :-) People should do this when they work unpaid overtime as well. It would at least give you a nice paper trail that shows both you and the company were aware of the amount of extra exploitation involved.

Great idea ! I wish I did that back at my freelancing days.

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